Time-setting on a simple CS.

May 08, 2024,19:41 PM
 

It’s not FPJ Friday, yet, but I’d taken my humble CS out in preparation, and it struck me for the first time that the relationship between the crown movement and time advancement (moving forward) is the exact opposite of all my other watches. 


Am I just hallucinating or is that actually true? If it is, any explanation for why? 

I’d also like some reassurance that “fake-hacking” the seconds hand (by applying some backwards pressure untill the seconds hand is in sync with an atomic clock) won’t harm the movement. I’m used to doing that on non-hacking manual and automatic movements from the likes of Patek and omega, without any long/lasting damage, but wanted to check.

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Hussam




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Okay, which way do you turn the crown to advance the hands?

 
 By: blau : May 8th, 2024-20:20
I just tested my CS and, facing down at the crown, you turn the crown COUNTERCLOCKWISE to advance the hands. I also tested a Panerai Submersible, Rolex Explorer, Zenith El Primero, JLC Reverso, Nomos Metro, Lange Saxonia, Grand Seiko SBGW, and Breguet La ...  

Thanks for the prompt and detailed response.

 
 By: Lankysudanese : May 9th, 2024-03:48
Truly appreciated. Amazing collection (or sub collection) btw. Very versatile 👌🏿. I advance the time on all my other watches by turning the crown UP, if that makes sense.

I think that by UP you mean what I mean by CLOCKWISE

 
 By: blau : May 9th, 2024-22:40
Very weird to think that your collection is mostly that way, and my collection is mostly the other way

Faux hacking won't harm the movement.

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : May 8th, 2024-20:54
It's a question I had as well.

🙏🏿

 
 By: Lankysudanese : May 9th, 2024-03:43
. Thanks for the prompt response and term correction.

Beautiful timepiece.

 
 By: gary_g : May 8th, 2024-22:39
I spoke to folks at FPJ and confirm what you said above. The way to set the watch most accurately (to a second for me) is to stop the seconds hand by turning the crown counterclockwise.

Faux hacking...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 9th, 2024-01:30
Faux hacking isn't good for the movement, but not usually damaging to the movement. The situation is more serious if the watch is a Tourbillon - the Tourbillon will not take to faux hacking and reversing very nicely (since the Tourbillon cage itself can't... 

You’re probably correct.

 
 By: gary_g : May 9th, 2024-02:10
However, it bothers me beyond belief when a watch with a seconds hands it’s set exactly. So idk what the workaround is.

I agree...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 9th, 2024-04:54
So many fancy brands don't have hacking seconds... How can I set my Patek Philippe exactly, some of them don't have second hands and some of them with second hands don't hack. I think the majority of the Pateks in my collection aren't able to be set exact... 

Yes. That always bothered me, especially for supposedly sports models like the nautilus 5712 and the vacheron overseas.

 
 By: Lankysudanese : May 9th, 2024-06:25
Patek has fixed it with the 6119 and [I may be mistaken] the new Nautilus

My 5712 does indeed have this problem.

 
 By: patrick_y : May 9th, 2024-18:57
Lange is one of the few brands where almost every model in their lineup hacks.

100%.

 
 By: gary_g : May 9th, 2024-10:49
I think many dress watches are like this. My PP, fpj’s, Piaget are all the same.

Lange seems to be the only exception.

 
 By: patrick_y : May 9th, 2024-18:59
Leave it to those precise Germans. They want a watch that hacks so the time can be set to the second. I do understand the counter argument. Hacking the movement will mean that rate will likely be unsteady for the first few minutes as the balance Spring wi... 

That’s interesting, Patrick.

 
 By: Lankysudanese : May 9th, 2024-03:51
I haven’t handled any tourbillions, but if I did, seeing it roll back would scare the hell out of me.

Journe is against faux hacking

 
 By: donizetti : May 9th, 2024-10:07
So I don’t do it on my Journes. His reasoning is explained well here But I also have heard it from the man himself. Best Andreas

I have heard that too.

 
 By: gary_g : May 9th, 2024-11:13
But idk how else to set the watch accurately.

I just start winding at the time the second hand points to -

 
 By: donizetti : May 9th, 2024-19:42
with a lead time of the odd second or two it needs to start up, but as a watch nut one knows these things, no? Best Andreas

Thanks for sharing, Andreas.

 
 By: Lankysudanese : May 9th, 2024-12:20
IMHO, the article half-answers the question and ends abruptly. To his (FPJ) credit, my CS is the most accurate timepiece in my current collection, after my two omega’s lost the top position (bc of poor regulation during service after iatrogenic damage 😔).... 

yes, I guess he knows his stuff :)

 
 By: donizetti : May 9th, 2024-19:40
my CS (the second I own) keeps great time but amazingly my other Journes even better! Best Andreas